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Doooom · Oct 27, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by Rey Lentless

If those cards cost you around $30, and it's for 60 days.. how is that $10 a month for you?

He's saying that with the 30 days "free" (which you're really paying 50 bucks for) it makes 3 months for 30 bucks ($10/mo). At least, I think that's what he's saying.

Rotgut The Unholy · Oct 27, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39

WoW is fun untill you realize the fact its nothing but an item grind in the end. I have a level 60 warlock on Firetree. The moment I hit 60 I was so excited and happy, then after getting into and doing a lot of the end game stuff I went "I am paying 15 dollars a month to get that new item which everyone else already has, which will take me 5-6 hours at least per day to earn?" Didn't seem worth it.

The battlegrounds are horrible because there is absolutely ZERO world PVP anymore, it takes anywhere between 20 minutes to 7 hours waiting in line to get into a battleground.

At 60 basically all you can do is run Upper blackrock spire, lower blackrock spire, blackrock depths, Scarlet Stratholme, Undead Stratholme, Scholomance, just to get loot. I really regret spending 10 months in WoW (I've had 3 level 60s) just to realize its an item grind, and what I truely hate is how long it takes JUST to experience the good stuff. (Which is the PVP)
In GW I can easily click create pvp character and go, in WoW you spend about 3-4 months getting to level 60, just to experience pvp. You can pvp before 60 but it really is meaningless because all the GOOD pvp gear is requirement of level 58+

I can go on and on about how bad I feel about wasting my time in this game but if you honestly want to try this game pm me and Ill let you ask me some in depth questions about the game and Ill try to answer with as little bias as possible.

Rotgut The Unholy · Oct 27, 2005, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by Trance Addict

It was 59.99$CAN for the game. A 60-day gamecard is 39.99$CAN.

So I finally gave in and went out to buy WoW. It states on the box that the first month is free, alright, great! I can try it out. There I go to create my account, when it asks me for my Credit Card or a Game Card Number. Now, believe me, I've shelled out plenty of money for crappy games, but I've paid 65$CAN for WoW, now I'm required to go buy a 60-day gamecard just to see whether or not I'll like the game? Am I missing something or do you absolutely require a CC/GC to play it?

^^ Message I e-mail to Blizzard. I'm not liking the way they're managing everything already lol.

Your first month is free, but they want you to set up your subscription right away, you pick 1 month annual (14.99) 3 month (34 sometihng) and 6 month (74)

The point of this is you can cancel after the one month and only have spent 15 bucks, but if you plan on staying a while its "cheaper" to pay the 74 (So if you want the 74 dollar plan, you get 7 months total because of first "free" month)

Doooom · Oct 27, 2005, 05:47 PM // 17:47

I personally feel that Guild Wars is proof that monthly fees for MMORPGs are a total scam. I understand that EQ2 and WoW may be more advanced than GW in some ways, but it doesn't justify paying $15 a month. I refuse to pay monthly fees to play a game that cost me $50 in the first place.

Rotgut The Unholy · Oct 27, 2005, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by Doooom

I personally feel that Guild Wars is proof that monthly fees for MMORPGs are a total scam. I understand that EQ2 and WoW may be more advanced than GW in some ways, but it doesn't justify paying $15 a month. I refuse to pay monthly fees to play a game that cost me $50 in the first place.

Actually i did some personal research and have found that the only reason you're paying 15 bucks isn't for servers and etc, its for the convienience of having GMs at your beck and call. I mean, take Half-life 2, there are hundreds of thousands of people playing at the same time, and there HAS to be a server farm somewhere authenticating and operating steam (That games platform for online play is called steam)

So basically, other than having a 24/7 staff, it is a huge scam.

Doooom · Oct 27, 2005, 06:01 PM // 18:01

I completely understand that you have to have GMs and employees to run MMO games. However, I certainly don't think they have enough to justify $15/mo.

What scares me is that while most of us think of this as "well, I'll just pay it for this game" the companies are really just testing the market to see how much we'll pay. It's no different than when gas prices went up over $3 a gallon. The stations still had the same gas in their tanks that they had the day before, so they hadn't even experienced any negative effects of the price hike yet. And in most cases, they never experienced any negative effects. They were just testing to see how much we would pay for gas. And you know what? People lined up and fought (literally there were fistfights) over the chance to pay that much at the pump because they were so scared. So we just proved to the gas companies that we'll pay $3 a gallon and not complain.

The same is happening with these games. Xbox Live, EQ, WoW, SWG, it's all just a test. Don't be surprised if more and more games start charging a monthly fee. And with people scrambling to pay $60 for "collectors' editions" of games (honestly, do you think they'll ever be worth a penny more than a standard edition? No.) expect to pay at least $60 for games very soon. The companies are testing us, and we're lining up like cows at the slaughterhouse.

NatalieD · Oct 27, 2005, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by Trance Addict

Wow. Seems like all the people are nice and mature. Well, I'm off to buy it.

World of Warcraft players. Nice and mature.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Oh man. *wipes tear from eye*

Have you ever heard the phrase "ninja looting"? See, when items drop in WoW, they don't get reserved for a player randomly. The group has to roll off to see who gets it. Generally there are certain understandings, like a warrior in the group shouldn't try to get the awesome wand that the mage wants. Taking drops that the group intended for someone else is called ninja looting. Yep, it happens so frequently that there's widely-used jargon for it.

If you're on a PVP server, expect to regularly get whacked by gangs of people much higher level than you, many of whom will then wait at your corpse to kill you again when you rez. Even on a regular server, the assholes will do their best to get you to turn on your pvp flag. Everything from, say, repeatedly killing the NPCs you're trying to turn in quests to, to jumping around in front of you when you're fighting a mob hoping that you'll accidentally target them or hit them with an AoE. (Attacking a flagged player automatically turns on your flag.)

There's never a shortage of people who will try to scam you in trading, as well as people who will, say, run up to a chest and grab the loot from it after you spent ten minutes clearing a path to it and are just about to finish off the last mob that was guarding it.

If you see another player getting killed by a mob, and you try to help, more often than not that player will just run off, leaving you to deal with the mob, which will now be aggroed on you. On a pvp server, if you spare the life of an enemy - say because he's lower level than you, or half-dead from fighting mobs, or you're just feeling nice - then nine times out of ten he'll come back five minutes later when you're half-dead from fighting mobs, possibly with his friends, and kill you.

There are reasons to play WoW, but "nice, mature players" is so not one of them.

Aracos79 · Oct 27, 2005, 06:45 PM // 18:45

Not to mention the spyware Blizz sticks you with. I'm much more worried about that precedent than I am about rising game prices. Prices have to go up as development costs rise, it's inevitable.

Rotgut The Unholy · Oct 27, 2005, 07:38 PM // 19:38

There is no real spyware, they do a checksum on running DLLs to check for hacks, but yes, everything else negative said here is pretty true. Heh..

Doooom · Oct 27, 2005, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by Aracos79

Prices have to go up as development costs rise, it's inevitable.

True, but many more copies sell now than before, so the profit margin is higher than ever....

Wretchman Drake · Oct 27, 2005, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by TheEPIC

Well thanks to SOT's posts I think I'm convinced to go out and try WoW since I'm utterly tired of GW

I feel sorry for you.

Please don't get WoW, if anything, get DaoC (Dark Age Of Camelot). They are selling their expansions for about 50 bucks or less, and it's the same internet fee, but way better since you can still level up high and the world is about 10 times larger than WoW and there is actually PvP involved, however PvE is still huge. Please don't World of Warcrap, get something that you can at least do even more with your time for same price. I've played DaoC, and a trial version is avalible I think for the original one (who knows how many people are even playing it), but the updated versions kick butt. I recommend getting that rather than WoW just because first off:
1.) Not as g*y
2.) Better PvE Set Up
3.) Great solo game, and even greater with a guild

Monseir · Oct 27, 2005, 09:32 PM // 21:32

xbox live is $5 a month....thats not really a scam...and when you buy the starter kit its a headset, game, and 1 year free of XBL for $40 (where i live...probably different anywhere else) thats cheap considering how much fun it is....

warren_kn · Oct 27, 2005, 09:52 PM // 21:52

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Originally Posted by Wretchman Drake

I feel sorry for you.

Please don't get WoW, if anything, get DaoC (Dark Age Of Camelot).

This is the first time another game has been offered as an alternative in this thread. Why, if your gonna play a game other than Guild Wars, must you get WoW. There are several reall good games out there, and several more close to release. I for one am waiting for Dark and Light, and perhaps DnD Online.

Mistress Eyahl · Oct 27, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by Rotgut The Unholy

and what I truely hate is how long it takes JUST to experience the good stuff. (Which is the PVP)
In GW I can easily click create pvp character and go, in WoW you spend about 3-4 months getting to level 60, just to experience pvp. You can pvp before 60 but it really is meaningless because all the GOOD pvp gear is requirement of level 58+

Rubbish. The best time I had was in Bg for 21-30 and they've now opened bg's for even lower levels.

Mistress Eyahl · Oct 27, 2005, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by NatalieD

If you're on a PVP server, expect to regularly get whacked by gangs of people much higher level than you, many of whom will then wait at your corpse to kill you again when you rez. Even on a regular server, the assholes will do their best to get you to turn on your pvp flag. Everything from, say, repeatedly killing the NPCs you're trying to turn in quests to, to jumping around in front of you when you're fighting a mob hoping that you'll accidentally target them or hit them with an AoE. (Attacking a flagged player automatically turns on your flag.)

First off, when you go onto a PvP server you go on KNOWING you are going to have to defend your butt. For many people, they don't have done to them what they wouldn't do to others anyway.

And are you aware this corpse camping you're speaking off is a bannable offence? If it happens you can report it under the harrassment option in the tickets and Blizzard deal with it VERY strongly.
Honestly, the rules in WoW are strict.

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Originally Posted by NatalieD

There's never a shortage of people who will try to scam you in trading, as well as people who will, say, run up to a chest and grab the loot from it after you spent ten minutes clearing a path to it and are just about to finish off the last mob that was guarding it.

You can't scam in trading, it's the same as GW's. You can view what they are going to trade you before you trade. If what they are offering changes in the slightest, you are required to sbmit your side AGAIN.. so there is no chance of them taking an item away and the trade continuing.

Yes people run up and steal loot. One thing about WoW is you DON'T have your own instances and you share it. I have yelled MANY times at people, even so much as logging an alliance char to yell at an alliance character, but I always get apologies. People who come up to skin your kill before you get a chance pisses me off, but they have always traded the skin back.

Need to stop listing the bad points of WoW tbh.. because I could list a HELL of a lot about GW's.. EQII.. EVERY game.

Bottom line, don't be so sodding naive. People are out there for number one, not to soley help or respect you in a video game. It's a public place where people don't have to answer to their actions, and they'll take any chance they can to piss you off. You just have to deal with it. WoW has a charge, because the game is HUGE and the experience matches.

Mistress Eyahl · Oct 27, 2005, 10:37 PM // 22:37

Don't understand why WoW is such a big deal to people. If you don't like the damn game, then cancel your sub. Yeah you might have shelled out money for it in a shop, but you're telling me there aren't computer games with dust on you shelled out money for once and don't play now? You get a free month, I took advantage of this, it was a good idea.

But seriously, put things in perspective. People talk about WoW the same they talk about RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing Bin Laden for christ's sake.

If you wanna get it, get it. If you don't, don't. It's not that bloody complicated.

Aracos79 · Oct 27, 2005, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Well for me it is a bit of a large decision. $30-50 for the game plus $10-15 a month means $150-230 for the first year and $120-180 per year after. That's a lot of money. Before I spend something like that, I'd like to know everything I can about it. And this is the best, most impartial discussion of WoW that I've been a part of.

Beqxter · Oct 27, 2005, 11:55 PM // 23:55

I've followed the thread with interest because I'm also curious about WoW, at least to pass the time until GW chapter 2 comes out. I initially came down on the side of GW due to the monthly fee, but now that I've spent over 500 hours on this game, and it doesn't look like any new content will be coming for a few months, I'm wondering if maybe WoW doesn't offer greener pastures for the time being. I have no doubt I'll buy chapter 2, regardless.

To the OP who decided to give it a try: I hope you come back and let us know what you think, and haven't just switched all your bookmarks to the WoW forums.

As far as the monthly fee goes, I'm beginning to think "well, maybe I'll just see one less movie per month..."

Mister Overhill · Oct 27, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Somewhat off the subject, but the old Anarchy Online is now a free download, and the basic game is free to play. Had to install it from a DOS box (under WindowsXP) and that was a bit of a pain, but it ran fine after the setup was complete.The expansions are cheap for all three, and something like $7.95 a month to play.

I just have too much on my plate to play it at the moment.

www.anarchy-online.com/

Aracos79 · Oct 28, 2005, 02:55 AM // 02:55

I did download AO when they started their free trial. I played it for about a week, then dumped it. It just never caught on for me. I was bored in 5 minutes.

I would like to continue the discussion of WoW though. For the first time I find myself considering picking it up, and would like to see this discussion continue. It's been very enlightening... much better than trying to get straight answers from a WoW fansite.